Jeremy Fisher & Dr Gillyanne Kayes chat about collaboration and life
Mentioned in this episode
Send us a question on https://speakpipe.com/vocalprocess
After Estill – the speech they couldn’t wait to hear https://vocalprocess.co.uk/after-estill-speech-they-couldnt-wait-to-hear/
Nicola and Embodima https://www.embodima.co.uk/
Suzanne Dibble and the Small Business Legal Academy Black Friday offer of 72% off https://www.smallbusinesslegalacademy.com/black-friday-wait-list?_go=jeremy21 (Use that link until 22nd Nov, then use this one https://www.smallbusinesslegalacademy.com/black-friday?_go=jeremy21)
SOVT and Oren https://Rayvox.com/?ref=Vocalprocess
Voicenerdz – https://voicenerdz.co
Ruth Royall and the Pocket Guide to the Voice https://www.ruthroyall.com/product-page/pocket-guide-to-the-voice
Voiceover Social, Nic and Leah https://www.thevosocial.com/
Paul Meier podcast https://www.paulmeier.com/in-a-manner-of-speaking/
Cerys Matthews and Jeffrey Boakye BBC Radio 4’s Add to Playlist https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0011cd7
Michael Rosen BBC Radio 4’s Word of Mouth – Michael Gets Voice Training (sooo good!) https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/b09nvrs3
Anne Leatherland Singing Teacher’s Toolkit and Practical Phonetics https://anneleatherland.co.uk/services/
Learning Lounge and Carrie Garrett’s course https://vocal-process-hub.teachable.com/p/the-vocal-technique-learning-lounge
Jeremy Fisher & Dr Gillyanne Kayes chat about collaboration and life
Mentioned in this episode
Send us a question on https://speakpipe.com/vocalprocess
After Estill – the speech they couldn’t wait to hear https://vocalprocess.co.uk/after-estill-speech-they-couldnt-wait-to-hear/
Nicola and Embodima https://www.embodima.co.uk/
Suzanne Dibble and the Small Business Legal Academy Black Friday offer of 72% off https://www.smallbusinesslegalacademy.com/black-friday-wait-list?_go=jeremy21 (Use that link until 22nd Nov, then use this one https://www.smallbusinesslegalacademy.com/black-friday?_go=jeremy21)
SOVT and Oren https://Rayvox.com/?ref=Vocalprocess
Voicenerdz – https://voicenerdz.co
Ruth Royall and the Pocket Guide to the Voice https://www.ruthroyall.com/product-page/pocket-guide-to-the-voice
Voiceover Social, Nic and Leah https://www.thevosocial.com/
Paul Meier podcast https://www.paulmeier.com/in-a-manner-of-speaking/
Cerys Matthews and Jeffrey Boakye BBC Radio 4’s Add to Playlist https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0011cd7
Michael Rosen BBC Radio 4’s Word of Mouth – Michael Gets Voice Training (sooo good!) https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/b09nvrs3
Anne Leatherland Singing Teacher’s Toolkit and Practical Phonetics https://anneleatherland.co.uk/services/
Learning Lounge and Carrie Garrett’s course https://vocal-process-hub.teachable.com/p/the-vocal-technique-learning-lounge
Jeremy
It is not possible to do it by yourself. So and it's once you find the right people to work with, and this is why, in a way, I think it's so important that you find not not just people that you can communicate easily with and that you find approachable but actually people who have similar goals to you and sell a similar outlook to you. Once you can find those people actually, you build something that is more than the sum of its parts.
Announcer
This is a Voice, a podcast with Dr. Gillyanne Kayes and Jeremy Fisher.
Jeremy
Hello, and welcome to this is voice series three, Episode Five.
Gillyanne Kayes
The podcast where we get verbal about voice.
Jeremy
I'm Jeremy Fisher.
Gillyanne Kayes
And I'm Dr. Gillyanne. Kayes.
Jeremy
Okay, so what's the topic this week?
Gillyanne Kayes
The topic this week is collaboration is the new normal.
Jeremy
Okay. Well, we've collaborated a fairly long time. For those of you that don't know,
Gillyanne Kayes
It's called being married
Jeremy
It's called being married, yeah, we've been married for 21 years, we've actually been working together for quite a lot longer. 25 years. 26 years. Yeah,
Gillyanne Kayes
something like that. And obviously, you as a collaborative pianist, have been collaborating for decades.
Jeremy
Oh. I've been collaborating with everybody, everybody since I was 19.
Gillyanne Kayes
And, you know, I started collaborating with people very early on in my teaching career, doing joint workshops, and so forth with, you know, different practitioners. But actually, today, one of the things we're going to be talking about is collaboration from a business point of view, yes. Which brings us to the fact that we are being sponsored today,
Jeremy
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Gillyanne Kayes
That did sound a bit like you, Jeremy.
Jeremy
That was me.
Gillyanne Kayes
Okay, so thinking about collaboration. And one of the things I wanted to back-refer to is something that happened more than four years ago, 2017 when I did a keynote speech for the Association of Teachers of Singing in the UK. And as many people know, it was called After Estill - A Conversation We Need To Have. And one of the things I wanted to draw people's attention to towards the end of the keynote, was the importance of collaboration over competition, and having, you know, open discussion about concepts, methodologies, and approaches and about the importance of investing our time and energy into finding meeting points. And not being in competition with each other.
Jeremy
I remember that. Yes
Gillyanne Kayes
And I felt really strongly about that, because it was something particularly maybe in the UK, but that I think I've heard other people complain about in our profession, is that it's almost like this scarcity thing about knowledge instead of being able to share and and a fear of sharing and I think that's not the best thing. Yeah. So I then set out I had three years where I was visiting profeshor,
Jeremy
Profeshor? Good morning people I'm a profeshor. Alcohol not included,
Gillyanne Kayes
For the University of West London, and London College of Music. So together with Ivor Flint, largely, he and myself put together this conference about best practice in higher education, and I have to say, was a really joyous occasion was we had some fabulous speakers there, including Johan Sundberg and Janice Chapman, and Susan Yarnell from the European Voice Teachers Association. And we basically brainstormed, you know, what is it that we need in best practice in higher education, and we had focus groups and it was was really, really special. So that was something I very much wanted to do as a result of having made that keynote. And then that kind of I wouldn't go so far as to say it fell by the wayside, but sometimes universities go in different directions. And we didn't get the follow up, maybe that we would have liked within that context. And of course, my visiting professorship is long past with that university. But nevertheless, I wanted to sort of go forth and do more collaborations,
Jeremy
There was something that I really wanted to do. And I've always wanted to do this. And that's to have a think tank. I love the idea of being involved in a think tank where you talk around and through and about various problems, various possibilities, you share all sorts of things. And so we set up our own Think Tank
Gillyanne Kayes
Our own Think Tank was called, let's talk. Yeah, and we got together with, I don't know, I think there were about a dozen of us to begin with something like that, of professionals in the field. But you know, from different areas, we had people who were emergent in the field, people who were very experienced, people who'd run, you know, businesses and franchises. And people like us and people who were just starting out in business,
Jeremy
And also people who were supportive, because that was a really important thing. There's no point in having a think tank where somebody comes in, and then just takes everything that you've talked about and goes off and does it themselves. That's not the purpose
Gillyanne Kayes
That's not collaboration.
Jeremy
It's not collaboration. And so it was important to us that we had people, it wasn't even people sort of it's gonna sound awful. It wasn't even people that we liked, it was people that we liked. But it was also people that we thought were going to bring something positive and strong and interesting, and to be able to listen to each other.
Gillyanne Kayes
Do you know, I mean, when, because it was me that came up with the list. And obviously, then we kind of approved it between us. I was looking for people who gave off a positive vibe. And who were open and sharing their practice and open in talking about what they wanted to do and not feeling that they'd got to hide behind this scarcity thing. And people who were just, you know, brimming with ideas. And it was just a glorious time, I think we had our first meeting in 2018. And we were able to run for a year, and we met sort of once every three months, roughly, the last meeting that we had was in March 2020. And we all know what happened then. Yeah. Nevertheless, a lot of good things came out of those let's talk meetings, didn't they? Yes. So what came out of it?
Jeremy
Um, well, actually, we heard about Nicola, and Embodima.
Gillyanne Kayes
Nicola Harrison and her Embodima work. In fact, she was just finalising her book at that time. And I can remember her showing us the book and the quiz. And we were all entranced by the sort of the colour coding in it, which is a great way to learn anatomy. And then later on, she talked about her Embodima work, which is about kinesthetic motor imagery, and how she was going to put a course together.
Jeremy
And we supported her in that. Yeah, it's, it's a very good system.
Gillyanne Kayes
It is. It's a very neat system. It's very user friendly. It's very intuitive. And, you know, Nicola kind of hit a roadblock when COVID came along. And we encouraged her to run her first courses online. Because I can remember having... I hope you don't mind Nicola talking about what we discussed by messenger, which was totally you can do this online. And I attended the first Embodima course myself online. And it worked. So we'll put about how to contact Nicola, and
Jeremy
It'll be on the show notes
Gillyanne Kayes
Her forthcoming training courses in the show notes.
And also Oren, Oren Boder. Yeah, was there at the first meetings, and we were learning about his SOVT straw, designs and plans, and they were amazing. So that was very exciting. And I mean, Oren has gone from strength to strength. And you'll be hearing a bit more about Oren later on. We're recording this on the Tuesday and we've just done SOVT 2 the workshop - the return, on Sunday, and I'm just editing the videos for that right now. That was a great course. And there were other sort of conversations going on in the background. And for instance, I know that Ruth Royall, and we'll put a link to her now because I think she's recently been signed to do some songwriting for a label. She put together a series of exercises which she collaborated on with Oren and actually, we also mentored her to write her little book on singing which I think is called a little pocket book of singing and is probably still around so congratulations to you Ruth for putting that together.
Jeremy
And we were also running stuff past the the think tank so in fact, I ran the cover of my book, The Why do I need a vocal coach? I passed the think tank and we were discussing design and shape and wording and all of that stuff. So that was great fun to do that
Gillyanne Kayes
Yeah, I remember Nicola was very helpful, because she's an editor. Yes. So I mean, that was a fantastic group. And in a way, I wish the COVID hadn't interfered with it. But, you know, maybe there'll be another time to resurrect that work, because really what we're doing is we're all mentoring each other.
Jeremy
I think there's been a real shift in the last maybe a year and a half, that we are finally starting to move away from competition and towards collaboration. And what's been so interesting, this is another for me this is another positive byproduct of lockdown is that people have suddenly discovered basically, the world caught up with us. People have discovered that working online as a possibility, and actually sharing things online as a possibility. So that now people are putting courses out there that don't collaborations, they're putting whole conferences together all online, I think it's great.
Gillyanne Kayes
We need each other. That's what we learned, yes.
Jeremy
It is not possible to do it by yourself. So and it's once you find the right people to work with. And this is why, in a way, I think it's so important that you find not not just people that you can communicate easily with and that you find approachable, but actually people who have similar goals to you, and similar a similar outlook to you. Once you can find those people actually, you build something that is more than the sum of its parts.
Gillyanne Kayes
And also, you know, people who can bring a perspective that you don't have. And I think that's incredibly valuable. I've noticed that obviously, since the pandemic hit, there's been an outpouring of podcasts, can there be an outpouring of podcasts? How about a plethora?
Jeremy
There can. I actually did a tweet last week, which said, the number of podcasts around and I've actually forgotten the figure. But in fact, that's the number of existing podcasts not just the number of total podcasts with maybe one episode. This is the number of live podcasts. And I was so thrilled because
Yes, we're about to brag
We are this is humblebrag here, which is a great phrase only just learned so humblebrag. We were so thrilled. We the last episode that we did, which was end brief, got us into the top 5% of podcasts worldwide. So little celebratory thing for that. So podcast, let's talk about podcasts guesting on podcasts.
Gillyanne Kayes
I think what is so wonderful about podcasts is that it's a great way to collaborate, sharing of ideas and knowledge so that we don't have something as a trap that I think we fell into. And I hope it is now a thing of the past where people were setting up FaceBook groups and the FaceBook groups were really about either their system or their business. So that what then happened was it there's this kind of tidbits of knowledge being due. It's tidbits, is it tidbits or titbits?
Jeremy
I have no idea.
Gillyanne Kayes
Well, whatever it is, I think you know what I mean? Those little crumbs of knowledge that had been dropped
Jeremy
The morceaux
Gillyanne Kayes
Yeah, as as a kind of a trail to take part in somebodies course. And then what happens is that instead of it being a genuine discussion within the group, because that's what these groups really should be for. It's actually about shutting down the people who have a different point of view. And moderating the group. So that it's that and I have to say, honestly, I've talked about this before, I think it's toxic. So just look out for groups that do that. Now that business model is changing, isn't it? You know, people aren't using Facebook groups as a business model, unless they're people that already have demonstrated they want to work with you like our Facebook group. And everyone on our Singing and the Actor Facebook group has done at least three days training with us. Yes. So there's none of that nonsense going on. It's genuine discussion.
Jeremy
I want to go back to podcasts because podcasts are such a great way of getting into discussion with people. And you find out so much more on a podcast even than you can on a course. And I was just looking back at the list of guests that we've had, and also the guests, we've been guests on other people's. So the first guest was Oren on SOVT. And we ended up doing four episodes with him because it's such a deep topic. James Sills from The Sofa Singers has a great podcast on choral singing and life in general. On that one, if you haven't listened to that one, please go back that to listen to that one. Then we had Leah and Nic from VoiceoverSocial doing voiceover podcast that was brilliant, such fun. Phoene Cave on singing, lung health and COVID That was very deep.
And then Georgia Mancio came in and
Gillyanne Kayes
well now we're talking deep
Jeremy
So songs, lyric and life. Songwriting and just life in general, living and the meaning of life basically And so we've also been guests on other people's podcasts. We were guests on Paul Meier's podcast. And in fact, so pleased because we're going to do another one. And we've got a list of topics between us and it's going to be so much fun.
Gillyanne Kayes
It looks very exciting.
Jeremy
We guessed it for Marisa Lee Naismith on The Voice and Beyond on her podcast, and we've known Marisa for few years. That was a really great podcast. Can I move down now to Radio Four, because we - more humblebrag - because we guested for Michael Rosen, for his programme on Radio Four, that was so good. He's so good at what he does, because we threw all sorts of challenges at him, and he could do every one of them. And in fact, just in terms of guest appearances, we were invited back again to do the Cerys Matthews show. And in fact, this is the new show called Add to Playlist and that was last Friday. We did that. And we were the voice experts for yodelling, which was hilarious that took a lot of preparation to do that. And we have to tell you, we didn't know, Cerys didn't tell us that we were going to teach Jeffrey her co host to yodel. She didn't tell us until we were on air. That's mean
Gillyanne Kayes
She wanted us to be in the moment.
Jeremy
We were certainly in the moment.
Gillyanne Kayes
Thank you, Cerys. But we did well, actually, we did, taught him to yodel in 45 seconds. Not bad. Yeah.
Jeremy
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Gillyanne Kayes
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Jeremy
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Gillyanne Kayes
Cor Blimey. Talk about making them wait.
Jeremy
Yep.
Gillyanne Kayes
Yeah, I wanted to talk about what it means to do a collaboration on a business front. You know, it's one thing to have a chat with someone in a podcast. And obviously, any of you who are doing joint chats and podcasts, make sure that you have product placement both ways, or it's not worthwhile. And make sure you guest for someone who is really working hard to promote their podcast so that you get people following you. I mean, that is one of the points of doing it. Plus, it's a great way for a new audience to get to know you
Jeremy
It is very much because there's cross fertilisation in that. And again, I'm gonna I'm going to say this again, which is you find people that you resonate with, you know, you find people that you know, you can talk to because the whole point of a podcast is conversation. We are actually filming bits of this for for the YouTube channel. But mostly, we don't put the YouTube channel stuff up. This is conversation. So it's audio, and therefore you got to have people who are comfortable talking to each other.
Gillyanne Kayes
Very much so. So can I get
Jeremy
There was just this silence is like, yeah.
Gillyanne Kayes
Can I go back now?
Jeremy
Yes, you can.
Gillyanne Kayes
Collaborations that require a contract? Yes. You know, sometimes you can get into conversation and you start building something with someone and you're both Creatives or both entities or all three entities are creatives and you get very, very excited. And you set something up, and the basis isn't quite clear. And you hit problems.
Jeremy
Oh, been there!
Gillyanne Kayes
We have been
Jeremy
Done it several times
Gillyanne Kayes
we have more than one t shirt we have. So now we know better? Yes. Because actually contracts protect all entities when you have a business collaboration, don't they? And I don't think it's something that it's it's a conversation that you do need to have fairly early on what you know what the basis is how you're going to share things? Who has the IP, who's responsible for what?
Jeremy
Now this is actually this is a sort of relatively serious part of the programme really, because people particularly artists, particularly teachers will find it very difficult to have the contract conversations. And we are here to tell you, please have them first. Because if you're having them when you've already been collaborating for six months, that is not a good conversation to have. It actually gets worse. So this is about clarity, it's not so much about, you know, pinning the other person to the wall and saying, Give me everything you've got. It's actually about clarity in the situation that you're in. And the clearer you are when you start, the easier that relationship is going to be.
Gillyanne Kayes
I think it's also about understanding the value of your IP. Yes, we're going to talk a little bit about the resources you can get from Suzanne Dibble, we are in a moment. And something that she posted on Instagram the other day was that she'd had clients complained to her that they had done a pitch, you know, for sort of large business entities or other business entities on a consultancy basis. They hadn't been picked up to do the project, and all the ideas in the project had been taken by the business and done by somebody else. I've pretty much had that happen.
Jeremy
Oh I'd forgotten that
Gillyanne Kayes
Maybe not on such a big sort of corporate scale. You know, have you ever had that happen where you share a brilliant idea with someone and the next thing you know it's their workshop?
Jeremy
Yes, been there
Gillyanne Kayes
Ooh, not so good. Not so good.
Jeremy
The reason that we're bringing Suzanne Dibble up is that she is a lawyer, and she runs an organisation called the Small Business Legal Academy. So it's a shout out to Suzanne, because I've been a member for several years. And I've also done some of her further training. And she has this set of documents, there's over 120 legal documents that you can get. And they are templates that you can fill in all the details for yourself. They're really well written, they're really clear English, and you just have to make certain decisions about filling them in. And I will say that she is doing a deal over Black Friday. And I'll put the link in the show notes, which is a phenomenal deal. There's so much money off this particular package. And it's only going to happen in Black Friday. So we're going to let you know about that. But I can heartily recommend Suzanne Dibble's work
Gillyanne Kayes
We have used those contracts over and again, haven't we
Jeremy
So good.
Gillyanne Kayes
And it gives that security because what happens if you've been unfortunate enough to get your fingers burned it in collaborations, you then don't want to collaborate, you're frightened to collaborate. And when you do collaborate, something exciting happens. I mean, just think about our SOVT 1 and 2. And there's more to come that we've done with Oren. Yep. And how exciting. That's been how we've been able to help each other in promotion by sort of sharing and reposting and re gramming.
Jeremy
I also want to talk about our Associate Trainer Anne Leatherland. Yes, because she was actually one of the first people that we did a really successful collaboration with in terms of a course, because she'd worked with us for so long. And she wanted to set up her own course that didn't actually contradict ours, or, you know, get in the way of ours if you like. And so together, we worked out the thing called the Singing Teacher's Toolkit, which we recommend it is in fact, a Vocal Process recommended course. And it really helps people who are at the beginning of their singing teacher life to understand what it is that they do and to get on track.
Gillyanne Kayes
I think she will be running it again soon, because I saw an Instagram post from her a few days ago. Yeah. And highly recommended, because quite a lot of people who've then moved on to work with us on some of our courses started off that way. And Anne is such a great guide. She's so good at breaking down concepts into kind of simple bite sized pieces. 18 years as a Science school teacher. Teacher, yes. Oh, boy. She knows her stuff.
Jeremy
Yes. And then so then we brought Anne in and we ran the Practical Phonetics course together, because she's also very good at breaking down phonetics into really understandable language. So we created that with her in mind.
Gillyanne Kayes
And that was a pop up was it was a pop up at some point. Yeah, are we going to say at some point it will be
Jeremy
we are
Gillyanne Kayes
Available in the Learning Lounge.
Jeremy
It is going to be available in the Learning Lounge, I have a list as long as somebody else's long arm to have videos that I need to edit. But Practical Phonetics will eventually make its way to the Learning Lounge.
Gillyanne Kayes
And just to explain to people who perhaps might not understand where collaboration and contract comes in there, because you can pay someone to teach for you. You can pay someone to create a course for you, you then need to have the discussion about the IP and what the split is whether you're going to do a buyout, or whether you're going to share profits, all of that needs to be upfront and discussed
Jeremy
and we have done every version of that with different people depending on what the circumstances. So if anybody wants to ask us about that just pop in a question. I'm coming to talk about Carrie Garrett. Yes, My Singer Has A Voice Problem. My Singer Has A Voice Problem was it was a course that I think you came up with the idea originally. Yeah, this was a couple of more than a couple of years ago.
Gillyanne Kayes
We ran it at the very beginning of 2020.
Jeremy
Carrie's is a real wealth of knowledge about vocal health, and from the standpoint of three different characterizations, if you like, she has three different jobs. So she is a qualified, highly specialist speech and language therapist. She's a singer herself, and she's a singing teacher herself. So she carries all of that information. We asked her to come and do a thing called My Singer Has A Voice Problem to help singing teachers understand what their role might be if they have a student who has a voice problem and how much they can do and where the boundaries are. And we did the live course in 2020. And then we transferred it to online and we ran that this year. Yeah, I think it was April this year. And in fact, that one has just gone into the Learning Lounge. So that's available if people don't know about the learning lounge. If you're hearing this for the first time, the Vocal Process Learning Lounge is a repository. It's a massive library of all of our resources, all the resources that Vocal Process has created since 2005. It's massive. So there are now, and the number keeps going up, there are now over 600 resources in the Learning Lounge, download streaming videos, databases, PDFs, there's all sorts of things in there. And so now, if you get access to Learning Lounge just for a month, you have access to everything for the month so Carrie's course is in there
Gillyanne Kayes
And you better sit up all night for your to get through it all.
Jeremy
Oh, yes, well, we do have somebody because there by the way, there are also 30 hours of CPD accredited training in there, which is massive
Gillyanne Kayes
We had some people who just romped through
Jeremy
We did we have somebody who actually managed to get through 26 hours of CPD specialist CPD accredited training in one month, which I was really impressed with, but she must have been on there the whole time.
Gillyanne Kayes
So you can see that by collaborating, you can grow first of all, you grow in your own knowledge you can grow in what you offer. And it's a really, really powerful thing. And I have to say, I'm so happy that over the last What is it three years now we've been able to do a number of collaborations. It feels like, you know, if you are a small business, you're a solopreneur it's blooming hard doing it all on your own.
Jeremy
Oh, it certainly is.
Gillyanne Kayes
So are we finally going to stop teasing them? And talk to them about the outcome of our latest collaboration?
Jeremy
We are we are okay, so the latest collaboration,
Gillyanne Kayes
what have you been up to Jeremy?
Jeremy
Okay, this is another collaboration between me and Oren. And it's under the Vocal Process overall brand, but in fact, we've created a brand new brand, which is called Voice nerds. And that's V O I C E N E R D Z. Voicenerdz. And in fact, the website is Voicenerdz.co. Co if you want to go and have a look. We're also on Tiktok and Instagram. This is my first Tiktok account. This is hilarious. We put something up. I mean, this is just going extraordinary. We put a couple of short videos are up on Tiktok we have had. And I'm checking right now live. We've had over 2000 likes so far. And we've had something like 21,000 views.
Gillyanne Kayes
How in long ago did those go up?
Jeremy
Four or five days.
Gillyanne Kayes
Four or five days?
Jeremy
Yeah, so and more coming in all time. So that's a huge fun.
Gillyanne Kayes
And this is lovely for me, because it's Jeremy and Oren. And I can go Well done boys. Looking good. And occasionally come in and you know, give some input. I have to say I have come up with some ideas. Yeah.
Jeremy
So we should actually tell you what it is. Yeah. Which is it's my clothing line. Now not kidding. I'm kidding. It's it's merch.
Gillyanne Kayes
Vocal Process is into merch
Jeremy
Yes into my own and I have come up with this new brand, which is creating merch and there's all sorts of things in there at the moment. We have at the moment we're launching which is sort of this week with six designs and each design has up to 19 different articles in it. There's quite a lot there already. But behind the scenes in my spreadsheet I have over 140 new designs. So I'm going to be working quite hard on this one. And it's there's all sorts things there's T shirts there's cropped hoodies
Gillyanne Kayes
There's bomber jackets
Jeremy
Eco tote bags, embroidered aprons baby bibs, which you've already heard about. Add backpacks, glossy magic mugs phone covers iPhone and Samsung covers. Sports bras, the sports bras brilliant and I have not tried them on so don't ask me
Gillyanne Kayes
He made me try one. There are no pictures of me on TikTok in my bra.
Jeremy
Looked great. Beanies, trucker caps, tank tops, face masks, all sorts of things. In fact, I'm going to play you that Oh, and by the way, I've written script for all of this. So everything you're hearing is from my voiceovers. But I'm going to play one more. And this is Every singer needs a water bottle. Why? Because those vocal folds need lubrication if they're going to work. You'd hate to be in the middle of a song and have your voice just dry up. Imagine being in an audition or a recording studio and you start to lose that smooth sound and exceptional agility you normally have. Don't worry, this leak-proof water bottle is here to help. Not only will it hold the water to keep your voice in tiptop form. You can even use it to do your SOVT exercises. Leave it somewhere prominent, and it'll remind the people you're working with just what an awesome singer you really are. Because YOU are the Riff Queen. Job done. This water bottle has a sensitive side, just like you. It's not dishwasher or microwave safe (just like you). It needs to be treated well and hand-washed (just like you). Take care of your water bottle just like you take care of yourself.
Gillyanne Kayes
Oh my God! Blimey! Bit of British humour.
Jeremy
Absolutely. And we're very pleased because we are partnering with Printful which is a print on demand company. And they have just yesterday opened the British
Gillyanne Kayes
British warehouse.
Jeremy
Thank you. They just open the British warehouse, which is the... there is a word for it.
Gillyanne Kayes
He's a bit excited. He needs to lie down
Jeremy
Fulfilment centre. That's the one which means everybody in Britain now does not have to pay import duties. Hurray. We're actually delaying until that happened.
Gillyanne Kayes
That was such a nightmare for us, wasn't it?
Jeremy
It was
Gillyanne Kayes
I just want to say something for people who've been maybe following us for years. And they're thinking they're selling merch?
Jeremy
Absolutely.
Gillyanne Kayes
We used to
Jeremy
we did
Gillyanne Kayes
didn't we. We had little little series of things.
Jeremy
I actually had the voicenerd collection possibly 10 years ago. In fact, interestingly, there is one design that I did in the Voicenerd collection originally, which has come back into the new collection. But there's 140 Something new designs. Yeah, I've had so much fun doing this. So doing the designs. Oren has been putting the designs onto actual paper, but I've been coming up with loads of ideas, and all of the scripts and all of that stuff. So it's a real it's a real sort of fun thing for me to do. And it's really creative in a way that I can't do anywhere else.
Gillyanne Kayes
Absolutely. And I have to say sometimes, you know, I pop out to sort of make my porridge in the morning. And Jeremy's recording voiceovers sitting up in bed, and I can hear these gales of laughter because he's, he's, you know, he's actually making himself laugh. And I have to come in sometimes say, Okay, it's only going to work you can work if it makes me laugh as well.
Jeremy
So and another humblebrag. Oh, this this thing is so full of humblebrag. I did 43 voiceovers in an hour. Just call me a one hit wonder.
Gillyanne Kayes
Cool. Okay, that's impressive. And I have to say your vocals are, they are so clean
Jeremy
Thank you.
Gillyanne Kayes
Very nice.
Jeremy
Thank you.
Gillyanne Kayes
So, um, as we know, Black Friday, Black Friday is coming up. So yes, week on Friday,
Jeremy
we are going to
Gillyanne Kayes
Is there a deal?
Jeremy
We are going to launch with a Black Friday deal, but I'm not telling you what to do is because we haven't searched up yet. So as soon as this podcast goes out, which I think is the day after tomorrow, go on to Coicenerdz with a zed dotco and have a look at what the Black Friday deal is. Oh, and by the way, if you're a Tiktok or Instagram user Voicenerdz, again
Gillyanne Kayes
Oh, check us out. Share the joy, I have to say, I'm thrilled to bits with what we're seeing here.
Jeremy
Share the videos, like the videos, subscribe to the videos, because there'll be lots and lots more coming out.
Gillyanne Kayes
And we're still going to carry on doing what we do.
Jeremy
Yeah, yeah. And a quick shout out to the accreditation people.
Gillyanne Kayes
Oh, lovely interviews
Jeremy
The lovely interviews from the accreditation people have been so great. And in fact, I have another one lined up which I'm going to be editing tomorrow and then we're going to be doing more interviews the week after next. So keep an eye on the Vocal Process YouTube channel because those interviews are coming up all the time. They're so good.
Gillyanne Kayes
It's been such a joy hasn't it
Jeremy
It's been really interesting finding out not just what people want but also the effect Two that the course is having on them because they're only four months in.
Gillyanne Kayes
But this is where that the idea of collaboration is so important as well, because they're all talking about the peer mentoring, the peer to peer mentoring that they're doing for each other and their buddy sessions
Jeremy
So good.
Gillyanne Kayes
And this is what we need, isn't it? It is it is lifting the level of the whole group.
Jeremy
Yeah. So they get they're getting obviously, input from us a lot of input from us, but they're also getting input from each other. And the way that we've set this course up is that they have so much they have a one to one buddy session, they have one to one accountability sessions with us. And then they have group stuff. I mean, there's all sorts of collaboration and communication going on in this course. And I have to say, genuinely, it's the best course we've ever run.
Gillyanne Kayes
It's bringing me so much joy
Jeremy
Beyond expectation. So finally,
Gillyanne Kayes
we should talk about
Jeremy
Have you got a collaboration idea for us. I think that'd be quite interesting. If you want to collaborate with us, let us know.
Gillyanne Kayes
Absolutely. There is something else we should talk about.
Jeremy
Oop, what?
Gillyanne Kayes
We need questions for the next podcast
Jeremy
We do.
Gillyanne Kayes
We have invited Carrie Garrett to come and do a podcast with us. And our topic is dealing with long COVID
Jeremy
If you do have a question on long COVID And the effects of long COVID on the singing and speaking voice, then go to speakpipe.com/vocalprocess. And leave us a quick question. Leave us a recording, and we'll play it in the podcast.
Gillyanne Kayes
Yes. I mean, perhaps you've suffered or are still suffering from long COVID yourself don't have some observations. And many of our teachers are reporting right now and are choir trainers that they are working with people with long COVID And they want to know how to help.
Jeremy
Yes. Send us your questions. speakpipe.com/vocalprocess
Gillyanne Kayes
I think it's time
Jeremy
I think it's time
Gillyanne Kayes
For a lie down
Jeremy
I think it's time. Thank you to Voicenerdz for sponsoring this episode and giving me so much fun. And we will see you next time for the episode on long COVID
Gillyanne Kayes
Yeah, get your questions into us by December the fourth please.
Jeremy
So we'll see you then. Bye.
Gillyanne Kayes
Bye bye.
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